tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383663773937558150.post1359877749037485515..comments2024-03-16T09:25:27.788-07:00Comments on A Miniatures Hobby Room: GHQ Téméraire class 74 gun Le FougueuxA Miniatures Hobby Roomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12955521215153908012noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383663773937558150.post-84903931960373211472017-07-14T09:33:35.075-07:002017-07-14T09:33:35.075-07:00Thank you very much, Vol !
Thanks to you, I have ...Thank you very much, Vol !<br /><br />Thanks to you, I have plenty of new data !<br /><br />In fact, the 120-gun ship of the line the <i>Commerce-de-Marseille</i> is mentioned in volume 1 only, the ship in volume 5 being the 74-gun ship of the line the <i><b>Ville</b>-de-Marseille</i> ; anyway thanks to your knowledge of William James' books I found easily what I was looking for.<br /><br />II wish I can return the favor. Here are some data about the French Sané's ships of the line.<br /><br />According to Maurice Loir (<i>La Marine royale en 1789</i>, Paris, Colin, 1900 - <a rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/details/lamarineroyaleen00loiruoft</a> -, pages 187 & 188), the weight of the French 36-pdr, 24-pdr, 18-pdr, 12-pdr, 8-pdr & 6-pdr guns were, respectively, 7190 livres (≈ 3520 ㎏ ≈ 7759 lb), 5116 livres (≈ 2504 ㎏ ≈ 5521 lb), 4212 livres (≈ 2062 ㎏ ≈ 4545 lb), 2995 livres (≈ 1466 ㎏ ≈ 3232 lb), 2382 livres (≈ 1166 ㎏ ≈ 2571 lb) & 1733 livres (≈ 848 ㎏ ≈ 1870 lb). These data are accurate.<br />Cost :<br />36-pdr, 1340 ₶ (≈ £ 58 sh 6 ½) ;<br />24-pdr, 1000 ₶ (≈ £ 43 sh 10 ½) ;<br />18-pdr, 784 ₶ (≈ £ 34 sh 2 ½).<br />[₶ : livre tournois ; £ 1 ≈ 22.974 ₶]<br /><br />Armament of the French ships of the line :<br /><br /><b>- 118-gun ships of the line :</b><br />Long guns <br />32×36-pdr 34×24-pdr 34×12-pdr 18×8-pdr<br />Broadside, 1260 livres ≈ 617 ㎏ ≈ 1360 lb<br />Howitzers<br />6×36-pdr<br />Broadside, 108 livres ≈ 53 ㎏ ≈ 117 lb<br /><b>- 80 gun ships of the line :</b><br />Long guns <br />30×36-pdr 32×24-pdr 18×12-pdr<br />Broadside, 1032 livres ≈ 505 ㎏ ≈ 1114 lb<br />Howitzers<br />6×36-pdr<br />Broadside, 108 livres ≈ 53 ㎏ ≈ 117 lb<br /><b>- 74-gun ships of the line :</b><br />28×36-pdr 30×18-pdr 16×8-pdr<br />Broadside, 838 livres ≈ 410 ㎏ ≈ 904 lb<br />Howitzers<br />4×36-pdr<br />Broadside, 72 livres ≈ 35 ㎏ ≈ 78 lb<br /><b>- 38-gun frigates :</b><br />14×18-pdr 5×8-pdr<br />Broadside, 292 livres ≈ 143 ㎏ ≈ 315 lb<br />Howitzers<br />4×24-pdr<br />Broadside, 48 livres ≈ 23 ㎏ ≈ 52 lb<br /><br />More data about the French three-deckers in the XVIIIth century (in French, but most data understandable) :<br /><a rel="nofollow">https://troisponts.net/2011/12/02/les-vaisseaux-a-trois-ponts-francais-du-xviiie-siecle/</a><br />The <i>Ville-de-Paris</i> (1764-1782) :<br /><a rel="nofollow">https://troisponts.net/2013/04/13/la-ville-de-paris-1764-1782/</a><br />The French 80-gun ships of the line in the XVIIIth century :<br /><a rel="nofollow">https://troisponts.net/2011/10/15/les-vaisseaux-de-80-canons-francais-de-1740-a-1785/</a>L.R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383663773937558150.post-74125001692372514502017-07-08T18:29:13.884-07:002017-07-08T18:29:13.884-07:00L.R.
Volume I
Commerce-de-Marseille. · 66, 123, ...L.R. <br /><br />Volume I<br />Commerce-de-Marseille. · 66, 123, 253, 385, 386<br /><br />Volume V<br />Commerce-de-Marseille, 403<br /><br />Cheers;<br />VolA Miniatures Hobby Roomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12955521215153908012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383663773937558150.post-75037852177680211672017-07-08T10:50:51.887-07:002017-07-08T10:50:51.887-07:00Thanks !
I have no website, but if I choose to ha...Thanks !<br /><br />I have no website, but if I choose to have one I'll link.<br /><br />I know James wrote about the <i>Commerce-de-Marseille</i>. Do you know in which book, on which page ?L.R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383663773937558150.post-63975355658493798002017-07-07T06:54:46.028-07:002017-07-07T06:54:46.028-07:00Thanks for the corrections, here and in other post...Thanks for the corrections, here and in other posts. Who are you L.R.? I would like to consult with you as a possible resource for future posts.<br />Regards,<br />VolA Miniatures Hobby Roomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12955521215153908012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383663773937558150.post-81651394282267068342017-07-06T22:20:03.780-07:002017-07-06T22:20:03.780-07:00Broadside, 838 French pounds ≈ 924 lb.
Displaceme...Broadside, 838 French pounds ≈ 924 lb.<br /><br />Displacement, c. 2950 tons (SI) ≈ 3245 short tons ≈ 2900 long tons.<br /><br />Dimensions are correct, but, calculated from French data, don't match with the Royal Navy's measurments (beam was measured including planking in the Royal Navy, for example).L.R.noreply@blogger.com